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A conundrum for you

by Maddie Grant on September 8, 2009

Had a really interesting comment on this post about community managers. Lauren Murray said,

As a Director of Council Relations (I manage our membership’s various stakeholder groups), I would love to be considered a community manager, except that we are not using social media strategies to facilitate these communities. Attempts at using a blog with one of the Councils has been quite challenging and our organization just doesn’t seem ready to jump onto the social media platforms other organizations are using (much to my disappointment…though perhaps my arguments aren’t compelling enough). I would love to occupy this space more fully and am wondering how others have overcome leadership challenges in their organizations….or have been able to quietly make inroads into this space). I attended Clay Shirky’s session at the ASAE conference (and am now reading his book), and it’s more than the “information” or “understanding” barrier with leadership….it’s more about an unwillingness to listen (which he really didn’t address). If Maddie or others have suggestions, they’d be welcome.

Maggie McGary replied,

Lauren–my advice is to do some information gathering and listening and go from there. I wouldn’t be discouraged by the blog–blogs can be really challenging, what with needing constant fresh content, attracting readers, etc. I would suggest doing kind of a lay of the land thing–do some searches in Facebook, Ning, Linkedin and Twitter. Are there any self-formed groups of your members out there already? People tweeting about your stakeholders’ issues? Do any of your members blog? The good news is that you can barely pick up a newspaper or turn on the TV without hearing about Facebook and Twitter these days–social media use is becoming so mainstream that even holdouts can’t help but hear about it and, one would hope, become more comfortable with it.

That is essentially my advice too! I absolutely agree that finding it difficult to get a blog going is not unusual, and Lindy and I can help with that specifically if Lauren gives us some more details on that. Another tool that is very difficult to get off the ground is a wiki, so if anyone is finding that to be like pulling teeth, you’re not alone. But, like Maggie says, the best thing you can do is drown them in evidence. Start the listening process and show the powers that be examples of people talking about your organization in various social spaces – or even better, show them examples of competing or similar organizations who have a presence in those spaces. (Although of course this is not about keeping up with the Joneses – you need to have good strategic reasons for communicating using social media. But you already knew that!). But nothing will change dissenting minds faster that some cold hard relevant data. :)

I also dug up this post I wrote a while back about a great paper on guerrilla social media warfare – there are some really useful tips in there!

But I’d love to hear if anyone else has a good take on this. I imagine many people are having the same experience and/or had to overcome some resistance at some point. Have you “been there”? Can you help Lauren?

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maddiegrant September 8, 2009 at 1:08 pm

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Deirdre Reid September 8, 2009 at 1:41 pm

At my former association it took a long time for me to convince our staff leadership that we should create a LinkedIn group. I sent the CEO and two VPs a “sales sheet” listing all the benefits that a group would bring to the association and to our members. I also showed the CEO the LinkedIn profile of one of his peers and the group that his association formed — the CEO was not a LinkedIn user so the whole concept was foreign to him. I ended with the “fear factor” — what might happen if someone else created a group, how we would lose.

In the end, they couldn’t deny that it was a good idea and I was given the go-ahead to create the group. However, their biggest issue ended up being the time it would require to maintain and nurture the group, so be prepared to address that.

Lauren Murray September 9, 2009 at 10:53 am

Deirdre posted a fantastic idea…I wonder if she would be willing to share her sample “sales sheet”…maybe I can find something similar on the Association Social Media Wiki. The overwhelming advice is that “listening” seems to be the way to start and so I’d like to dig into it a little more. It seems a bit of a daunting task in the association world. Do you search for ALL of your members (individuals OR organizations?) on the various big-ticket social media sites? Barring a full-blown survey of members’ social media activities, do you have any tricks for locating the leaders in this crowd (they don’t seem to be tooting their own horns)? I realize it might be hard to generalize these things given the idiosyncracies of each organization.

I want to extend a big thank you to Maddie and Maggie for responding directly to my comment on an earlier post. I know these questions have been asked and answered numerous times and don’t want to abuse this space by only asking newbie questions. I hope to be able to contribute something more in the future.

maddiegrant September 9, 2009 at 3:38 pm

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Maggie McGary September 9, 2009 at 11:55 am

Lauren–no need to apologize–you have no idea how many people have the exact questions you do so you’re saving them the trouble of asking and giving them a place to come for answers!

I did something similar to the “sales sheet” as a handout for a session I did last year at Great Ideas–I need to find it and update it then I can post it to the wiki. There are lots of compelling stats/references these days–it’s definitely getting easier to make the case for why an association at the very least needs to be listening, if not “doing.”

I search for relevant key words to the professions my association represents, as well as variants (e.g. speech therapy, speech therapist, etc). I will tell you ahead of time that the killer is having to search for an acronym–an unfortunate reality for associations. I work for ASHA and I’m telling you, I’ve come to learn there are a LOT of people in the world named Asha, as well as songs (Brimful of Asha) and famous people!!! I search in Twitter, as well as blogs, social networks and videos. Maybe try it and see what you come up with just as a starting point?

Deirdre Reid September 9, 2009 at 12:03 pm

Lauren, I blogged a bit about my experience and arguments here – http://bit.ly/152RPF – and about starting the process here – http://bit.ly/10YFtl.

Also, here’s the doc I sent to the CEO, etc. – http://bit.ly/M2bCE – and here is one I did for them about open vs. closed groups – http://bit.ly/A7fKU. I hope this helps you!

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